SaveRForestsFromUSFS NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT NOW!

[DuMass]

SaveRForestsFromUSFS NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT NOW!

PLEASE:

1 - Visit our YouTube Channel and Subscribe, make a Channel Comment and Comment on a Video.

2 - Send an e-mail to USFS Tom Tidwel, ttidwell@fs.fed.us and send a link to SaveRForestsFromUSFS.

3 - Send an e-mail to two friends and send a link to SaveRForestsFromUSFS.

4 - Copy this post and re-post it on one board, blog, facebook or myspace page.

Do any or all of these things every day until further notice.

[Sandee]

Originally Posted by DuMass

SaveRForestsFromUSFS NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT NOW!

PLEASE:

1 - Visit our YouTube Channel and Subscribe, make a Channel Comment and Comment on a Video.

2 - Send an e-mail to USFS Tom Tidwel, ttidwell@fs.fed.us and send a link to SaveRForestsFromUSFS.

3 - Send an e-mail to two friends and send a link to SaveRForestsFromUSFS.

4 - Copy this post and re-post it on one board, blog, facebook or myspace page.

Do any or all of these things every day until further notice.

NOTE TO ALL................. We (OHV) are NOT losing Charleau Gap.......... as Jim (DuMass) seems to keep pushing. The Catalina Ranger District FS meeting was last week and although grading was done within charleau Gap, it is NOT CLOSED and is still a good trail. The maintenance is normal FS doing for fire access. We (OHV) may not like this being done but the land managers do have mandates for other things than OHV trails. This group seems to be more of a hot wire for OHV than help. Evidently this group approached FS passing the attitude that ASA4WDC was in line with them and were planning on suing FS and were against what was going on. THEY ARE NOT IN LINE WITH THIS GROUP, nor have any intention of doing so.
Mother Nature, as in the past, will bring this trail back to normal challenge giving us 5-10 years of more challenge access until they "maintain" again.

[DuMass]

We are well aware that YOU and the rest of your cronies ARE NOT WITH US!

That IS the problem.

When the president of ASA4WDC, Becky Antle and her partner, Rheal Tetreault (whose last public statement is shown on ASA4WDC's newsletter) were contacted for help.......you self serving arrogant douchenozzles didn't even have the balls to admit that you knew well in advance what was planned, approved of the plan and have no intention of helping anyone but yourselves.

http://asa4wdc.org/content/wheeldust/current.pdf

Originally Posted by ASA4WDC

Region IV—Rheal Tetreault. Attended the Coronado Forest Service planning meeting. The travel management plan is
almost complete. They want to bypass part of the Charouleau Gap trail but the attendees convinced them not to.

The money trail will lead back to YOU!

You have lost your way and no longer care to represent the community at large, but rather pursue your own agenda.

Since you have abandoned the vast majority of users while claiming that you represent us we will expose you for what you are, hope you like seeing what you've become.

Under your leadership we have gotten where we are today, those who did complete survey cards requesting paved roads and law enforcement before access may like you, but, no one else does now that your work is being demonstrated in the actions of the agencies you support.

OUR ARIZONA STATE TRUST LAND EXISTS TO FUND EDUCATION IN ARIZONA AND YOU APPROVE OF THE FEDS, THAT IS USFS, STEALING WHAT EXISTS TO EDUCATE ARIZONANS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN ACCESS OR PAY WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY DUE THE ARIZONA STATE TRUST!

YOU SUPPORT SPENDING STIMULUS MONEY AND DISASTER RELIEF MONEY TO MAKE A FLAT SPOT UNDRIVABLE NEXT TO AN UNDRIVABLE SPOT MADE FLAT?

LET'S DISCUSS THE "HERITAGE FUND".


Between you and the Tucson Rough Riders, all trails should remain open.........as dirt roads And while we're on the subject or "roads", your bullshit use of the word "trails" when you know very well that all Forest Service Numbered Roads ARE ROADS! This means that when you see FS Road #736, for example, you must be i00% street legal to use the "ROAD" it's not a "TRAIL". But better than that, when the MVUM is published (later this year if we don't stop them) all "ROADS" not on the MVUM (Motor Vehicle Use Map) will be closed. see this
http://saverforestsfromusfs.blogspot...e-use-map.html






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEk-D...layer_embedded

http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forum...ic.php?t=14340

[Fatbob309]

WTF Sandee? We did lose somethig. Take a look at the pics. That trail will never be the same. Not 5-10 year... It will NEVER be the same. Good bad or other this group was willing to stand up and fight and you are telling them to sit there ass down and play nice. Why?
We need to stand up and be as nasty as we can be to put an end to stuff like this.
You keep saying its ok. Its not that big of a deal. ITS NOT OK AND IT IS THAT BIG OF A DEAL.

Keep up the good work DuMass!!!!

Originally Posted by Sandee

NOTE TO ALL................. We (OHV) are NOT losing Charleau Gap.......... as Jim (DuMass) seems to keep pushing. The Catalina Ranger District FS meeting was last week and although grading was done within charleau Gap, it is NOT CLOSED and is still a good trail. The maintenance is normal FS doing for fire access. We (OHV) may not like this being done but the land managers do have mandates for other things than OHV trails. This group seems to be more of a hot wire for OHV than help. Evidently this group approached FS passing the attitude that ASA4WDC was in line with them and were planning on suing FS and were against what was going on. THEY ARE NOT IN LINE WITH THIS GROUP, nor have any intention of doing so.
Mother Nature, as in the past, will bring this trail back to normal challenge giving us 5-10 years of more challenge access until they "maintain" again.

[DuMass]

Jeanine Derby, Forest Supervisor, Coronado National Forest, said basically the same thing.......

So maybe you ought to give up? 3-3-10 USFS Coronado Forest Plan Meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPiT_...eature=channel

you guys do not have the flipoff emoticon so I can graphically give my response to "giving up".


thanks to you, and everyone, for their support

[Sandee]

Originally Posted by Fatbob309

WTF Sandee? We did lose somethig. Take a look at the pics. That trail will never be the same. Not 5-10 year... It will NEVER be the same. Good bad or other this group was willing to stand up and fight and you are telling them to sit there ass down and play nice. Why?
We need to stand up and be as nasty as we can be to put an end to stuff like this.
You keep saying its ok. Its not that big of a deal. ITS NOT OK AND IT IS THAT BIG OF A DEAL.

Keep up the good work DuMass!!!!

First of all ASA4WDC knew NOTHING of the FS planned maintenance!!!
Secondly, none of us approve or LIKE what was done but we have absolutely NO SAY IN FOREST SERVICE MANDATED operations. Fire and/or safety access on trails MUST BE DONE. You're right, the trail will never be the same but the land managers are mandated to keep our forests and lands operational for ALL uses............... not just the wanted challenge for OHV. The grading and breaking of what our people call "kiss rock" is a very SMALL portion of the trail. The trail is still open to us and still has a challenge worthwhile to our recreation. They could CLOSE the entire trail for agency use only. Keep up the BS whineing and that's exactly what they will do.

[DuMass]

Originally Posted by Sandee

First of all ASA4WDC knew NOTHING of the FS planned maintenance!!!

Read your own newsletter you lying sack, I posted it above.

You better get with the program, either you represent the Off-road Community or yourself. You've gotten away with your belittling and name calling only because no one ever printed the facts for your response.

For example, lets talk about this:
http://azstateparks.com/grants/libra...torized_p.html
Motorized Trails Program Grant Award Information
1994 – 2009
Participant - Pima County
Project Title - PMP 4-Wheel Obstacle Course Dev
Grant Cycle - 2008
Grant Award - $279,900
Project Cost - $311,000
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9572479

You stated in an old post that I was "butt-hurt" for expressing my opinion that these trail funds would have been better spent.......... on TRAILS ! In the same newsletter I posted above, your most current dated "Winter 2009", "Pima Motor Sports Park in Tucson has opened. The price is $30.00 per vehicle per day but only $25.00 for ASA4WDC members." As I understand it they charged Big Rich $1200 per event. So you do the math, when will this become a worthwhile investment of Motorized Trails Program Grant money? Don't forget the maintenance costs, oh who cares, it's Tucson's problem.

In one of your other posts you were spouting off about how "law enforcement was the number 1 response before access" on the questionnaires during public meetings.
Why do I doubt that this is accurate, not just because it sounds like "hanging chad" in a Florida election.


Watch this vid with Don Amador, is he just a "whiner" too? or is he "butt-hurt"?
Holding the Forest Service Accountable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0xm7OQsfTI

My Dad gave me his 3 timeless axioms for a successful and happy life when I was but a youngster and those are:

1 -Be a man of your word

2 -Be to work on time

3 - Dont let people pour water down your neck and tell you it is raining (his original version was more graphic)

Back in 2001/2002, Forest Service officials looked me square in the eye and promised that the California Route Inventory and Designation Process (RID) - now known as the Travel Management Rule - would not be used as a closure tool to get RID of trails.

Turn the clock forward to today where the Shasta Trinity National Forest is proposing to close basically all of their 800 miles of single-track motorcycle trails and ATV trails less than 50 inches in width. Be assured, I am and will be asking the Forest Service to keep their word. You should do the same.

Do you recall telling us to "help inventory the trails so they'll keep them open"?

The ASARCO bankruptcy proceedings uncovered the flawed NEPA documents, those are the same reports used to close the adjacent trails in Florence Jct., what is ASA4WDC or anyone else for that matter doing to make them comply?

The list goes on and on and on...you keep telling us it could be worse........and then it is.....thanks.


Here's today's newspaper:
http://www.azstarnet.com/news/local/...73b535bfd.html
Funding proposal for state parks hits roadblock: 1 legislator
Howard Fischer Capitol Media Services | Posted: Monday, March 8, 2010 12:00 am
PHOENIX - A single legislator is blocking a plan to ask voters to permanently fund the state parks system with a surcharge on vehicle license fees.

Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, refuses to schedule a hearing on HCR 2040 in the Appropriations Committee, which he chairs, and will not agree to have the measure withdrawn from his committee.

That effectively keeps the plan from going to the full House, where Rep. Russ Jones, R-Yuma, said he has the votes for approval.

The parks system is being stymied on two fronts in its efforts to minimize closures. A second bill, HB 2060, would provide a $40 million loan over the next two years to the parks. But it is stalled because it needs a supermajority - 45 of 60 House votes and 23 of 30 Senate votes - because the money would come from the Growing Smarter fund, approved by voters more than a decade ago to buy or lease state trust land for open space.

Rep. Tom Chabin, D-Flagstaff, said it's "tempting" to vote for the measure. But he said it's unconstitutional. Even if it were constitutional, he said, it doesn't guarantee long-term funding for parks or, on a larger scale, fund all the other services that have been cut.

One bill is moving: SB 1349 would let the Parks Board seek offers to operate some facilities without going through the normal bidding process. That would expedite the process of seeing if private groups or local or tribal governments would use their own funds to keep nearby parks open. That bill has secured formal Senate approval and awaits House action.

Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix, said that's just a stopgap proposal. But Kavanagh and some Republicans see farming out the parks - and their operating costs - as one solution to system's budget woes. The parks system gets no tax money. It operates on about $8.5 million in entrance fees plus revenue from special sources, such as a tax on boat registrations to improve state lakes.

But lawmakers, looking for operating money for the state, raided those funds, leaving the system short of money. And the amount of future revenues from parks that make a profit is not enough to offset those that operate at a deficit.

That led to the decisions by the Parks Board to close 13 parks.

Jones' proposal would impose a $12 surcharge on the registration fee of every noncommercial vehicle, with $9 of it going to the Parks Board. The balance would go to the Arizona Department of Transportation to administer the system and, with what is left over, reopen 13 rest areas along state roads.

"It's a tax increase, which isn't consistent with the Republican program," Kavanagh said, explaining his refusal to move the bill. And he said there is no link between registering a vehicle and funding the parks system.
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Thank God, one sane person can still stop a herd of greedy self-serving government teat sucking swine!

Perhaps you would like to speak to the question of ASA4WDC's lobbyist? I for one am thankful you decided NOT to continue using his services, not because he wasn't good at what he does, but, because your judgment and leadership suck.



http://azstateparks.com/grants/index.html
Read through the above link

The problem is more than just OHV, it's our wasted tax dollars as the government throws money into the trough you feed from.

As vile as the actual work on the Gap Road FR736 is, and it is repugnant to anyone who values our land regardless of how they get there, that's not the worst.

They spent Disaster Relief money to make their ROAD flat, now they are going to spend Stimulus funds (ARRA) to render the by-pass impassable.

Even to you this HAS to sound bizarre.

LOOK AT THE FOREST BOUNDARY ON THE MAP!!!!
Green is USFS white is AZ State Trust land. At the boundary you see 2 colors of lines, the red is the "decommissioning" "736-3.25L-1", the blue directly below the red, is the work in the above photos at "Kissing Rock".


What truly breaks my heart is the respect I have lost for you Sandee. How can you defend this?

I should be able to focus my energies on fighting our enemies, how did you become the enemy of the 4x4 community?

What this thread was started for was to ask for help to protect our land, our sport, our tax-dollars and our children's education funds, I'm betting most people thought you would be.......helpful? Why not?

At any rate; lead, follow or get out of the way. Either you are for us or you are against us.

[DuMass]

[Spinnas]

I'm sorry, but using fire access as an excuse to level a trail on STATE TRUST LAND by the USFS is not legit. Let me ask anyone here this: When was the last time you ran Charouleau Gap? Remember the Aspen Fire? When that happened, they didn't blade a road in from the Catalina side(which they have dowe now for the first 4 miles). They bladed from Oracle down 6 miles and COMPLETELY bypassed "the step" and the bypass to the step. They made a new section of road "cross-country". Now they need access from the other side? Reddington Road of the North, here we come. So the only part of the trail left is the middle switchbacks transitioning from the pass towards the biodome. Maybe I'll wheel my tow-rig out there

[Huck]

Eye opening stuff to say the least. I also saw the posts on Pirate. Damn shame...... Ryan, I'd be willing to try it in the grocery gettin' WK, with you.